Sugar Refiners & Sugarbakers
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Just a simple weblog to keep you up to date with the progress being made with both the website and the research, as well as mentioning the names surfacing from enquiries made to the website by fellow researchers. |
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31 October 08 ... * Maps for Belfast, Cork and Goole have now been added. More research needed at Goole. Name enquiries - ADCOCK, DAVEY, DUNCAN, FITCH, O(H)LSEN, SMEDES, SWEENEY, von BARGEN, TILL/THILE. |
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18 October 08 ... * ... and the database has just nudged above 23,000 !! Name enquiries - BODEN, DOPSON, PUEST, RANKIN, ROBERTS, SCHULER. |
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18 September 08 ... * It is considered most likely that the TATE photograph previously discussed was taken on the occasion of the visit of King George V in March 1917, following the Silvertown Explosion of 19 January 1917. Name enquiries - DAMES, DAY, EHLERS, HILCKEN/HITCHEN, MOGGE, SAUNDER, TEAVES, WENDELKEN. |
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27 August 08 ... 
** Lovely Lucy is one year old today :-)) Name enquiries - ZARFAS. |
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13 August 08 ... * Have placed the transcript of the Macfie letter 1839 (mentioned 30 April) on the Miscellany page. Name enquiries - UHTHOFF. |
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5 August 08 ... * If anyone had menfolk working at TATE's, Silvertown, 1905 to 1930, they might want to look at picture in Portrait Gallery to see if they recognise a familiar face. See previous two entries. Name enquiries - BADEN, FAIRWAY, FINCKEN, JENKINS, KELLER, WELBROCK. |
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11 July 08 ...
* Re: previous entry ... I've added a cropped version (only the men) of the T&L photograph to the Portrait Gallery. If anyone can help with the date, it would be appreciated. Naming the men may take longer !! Name enquiries - PLAXTON, PUES. |
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3 July 08 ... * I have a new T&L (might just be Tate), Thames Refinery, photograph. Trying to date it. About 80 men ... in Saville St ... hats, coats, collars and ties, very wide flat caps ... one euphonium, one cornet ... wet, rainy, misty. No names, no date, but it still says Henry Tate over the gate !! Name enquiries - COAPE, COE, GERKEN, HAHN, HEARTZELL/HURDSALL, VON DOEHREN, WAHLERS. |
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7 June 08 ... * The number of sales ads. on the Sales page has just increased by almost 50% to 110+. These are a clear indicator of the state of the industry, as well as showing the developments of the machinery and hardware used within it. Often the reasons for the sales are given. Current listing - 1717-1913, but will keep searching for more. Name enquiries - 'firemarks', 'hogsheads'. |
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29 May 08 ... * Carolyn's newspaper info has added about 550 new entries to the db, and I'm still adding sales, fires and fatalities ... Name enquiries - AHRENS, BASS, KNEBELE, OLDENBOTTLE, WILSHUSEN. |
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30 April 08 ... * So much for addresses! This is how William Macfie of Greenock addressed a letter to his brother John in Edinburgh back in 1839 ...
... William was clearly thinking of the new year. I'll transcribe the full letter when time permits !! * Carolyn in Oz, to whom I'm very grateful, has been searching the old newspapers for 'sugar' evidence. I'm slowly working through the files adding to the sales and fatalities pages and uploading to the website as I go, and to the database which may take some time to update. I've a further long list from Ann in Canada to add as well. Name enquiries - FINZEL, HIEN, MATTHEWS, THORNE, TIETJEN. |
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27 March 08 ... An interesting few days ....
The personnel of a Bristol sugar refinery in 1878.
'The Making of a Sugar Giant, Tate & Lyle 1859-1989' by Philippe Chalmin, 1990. Name enquiries - BAUCK, BECKMAN, HALBAUM, HELLBERG, HILLATT, MEHRTENS, REUTER, SANDER. |
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29 February 08 ... * Sorry, out of action for some time - back gone again. Just returned for occasional very short spells at computer.
Name enquiries - JOHNS, MORJEANSTERN, O'FLAHERTY, PETZING. |
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23 January 08 ... ****** AT LAST !!! The SUGARBAKERS BOOK is now in print. ****** Name enquiries - BEHRBOM, BROCKMAN, CHRISTIAN, DEARBERG, LEWIS, WEIR, WILKER, YOUEN. |
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1 January 08 ... 
* Happy New Year ... and if you're on this side of the planet, Lucy says "Wrap up warm for winter!"
Name enquiries - MELMOTH, MEYNCKE, WICKE. |
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18 December 07 ... ** Merry Christmas and best wishes for the coming year.** |
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9 December 07 ... * Collected the various 'people pictures' together into a Portrait Gallery - can you add to it ? (jpeg / max 300 pix ht) Name enquiries - DOLGE, FRY, GERKEN, SMITH, VERNON. |
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3 November 07 ... * London's Museum in Docklands opens its new exhibition London, Sugar & Slavery on November 10. Name enquiries - BRUNS, CAULFIELD, CROFT, GOLDMAN, LANGHURST, PINGEL, REUTER, RUWALD, SCHWIER. |
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14 October 07 ... * The news regarding the book is now somewhat more promising !!?????!! Name enquiries - ADCOCK, ASENDORF, BANKES, MEYER, RAWLINS, SACKMAN, WOHLGEMUTH. |
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17 September 07 ... * More than 15 months since the book went to AGFHS !!! Name enquiries - BENSEN, BRUNS, CARLILL, COLE, DAUBENY, FINZEL, GERKEN, HASHAGEN, IRESON, KOBS, MILLAR, WELLBROCK. |
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27 August 07 ... 
** Our first grandchild was born today :-)) Name enquiries - TIELHEN, SANKEY SUGAR Co. |
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18 August 07 ... * James Vl of Scotland granted the sole right of refining sugar within the kingdom of Scotland to three gentlemen in 1619 for a term of 31 years, though as yet there's no evidence they ever produced any sugar. (See Glasgow page.) Could this, and maybe other such fruitless monopolies, be the reason refining began in Scotland some 120 years later than England ?? Name enquiries - BOOTH, GERDES. |
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21 July 07 ...
Name enquiries - BENSEN, CHARD, JOBSON, SCHNACKE, THOMSON, WAGENER, WOHLGEMUTH. |
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27 June 07 ... * Slowly working through the London Gazette online ... bankruptcies, estates, executors, etc ... some interesting info. Have finished the searches for sugar bakers, and up to 1800 for sugar refiners ... these are on the db. When London Gazette completed will see what the Edinburgh Gazette gives us. Name enquiries - BRUCKER, HAMILTON, HARRISON, McKINLAY, OSBORNE, SMITH, VERDENHALM. |
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9 June 07 ... * The blog is one year old ... I hope it has been of use. The first thing mentioned was the 'Sugarbakers' book ... I look forward to its long-awaited publication !!!
Name enquiries - McMARTH, TRINGHAM. |
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23 May 07 ... * As 'regulars' will know, I have been answering queries to this website for seven years - I hope promptly and to the best of my ability. Name enquiries - BURMESTER, COMPTON, SCHUHMACHER. |
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13 May 07 ... * I've begun work on a set of Hamburg pages (similar layout to the East End ones). The Hamburg index page and the directory page are both now on the website and I'm about to start work on the maps of the 4 quarters of Hamburg, and those pages will go up as they are completed. I've located 100 of the 108 streets listed using an 1840 map ... if anyone has access to an earlier map, I'd be grateful to know the exact positions of the 8 missing ones, please. They are ... Ebräergang, Gäberstrasse, Hanckentwiete, Kannengiesserot, Kugelsort, Lieschengang, Scheelengang, Stavenpforte. Name enquiries - SCHWIER. |
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30 April 07 ... * Have added the findings from our visit to Lime St, Hull, to the Hull page . I wonder if it would be possible for there to be a professional look into this site once it is vacated and before it is inevitably redeveloped ... perhaps any new development might include the names "Old Sugar House" and "Sugar House Wharf". Name enquiries - MUHM, WHITEMAN. |
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19 April 07 ... * HELP wanted in Greenock. Ross Ahlfeld writes, "The old sugar warehouse in Greenock (image) is getting seriously dilapidated and in real danger of being pulled down. However, the local paper 'Greenock Telegraph' is going to start a campaign to try and raise awareness about the historical significance of the building." Also at risk in Greenock is Lyle's old Glebe Refinery building in Ker St (image). There is surprisingly little evidence left in the UK of a once important industry ... if anyone can help with case studies, family tales, pictures, etc, it would be appreciated.
Name enquiries - BULLWINKEL, FOOCHMAN, GREENE, MAYELSTON, MUENCH. |
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26 March 07 ... * On a number of occasions over the past few years I have tried to contact Tate & Lyle regarding their archives and public access to them. Having had no response, last month I wrote to Iain Ferguson, the Chief Executive, at Head Office. My letter was passed to the person responsible for the archives, from whom I have received a very pleasant reply clearly explaining the current situation and the future of the archives. If researchers with T&L interests wish for further detail, just email me. Name enquiries - BLANKEN, BRUNS, GOEBENER, MARTENS, O'DONNELL, RALPH, RUWALD, SACKMAN, and HOLMES, HILLATT & SANDERS. |
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12 March 07 ...
* Peter has completed his very gentle editing of my Sugarbakers book ... and so to the printer. As promised I'll keep you informed of its progress.
Name enquiries - GERDES, ELLMERS, RICHARDS and SMITH & DANVERS. |
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22 February 07 ... ***** Yesterday I was told about an article in Ancestors (TNA's monthly magazine) regarding London Sugar Bakers. Needless to say "A Sticky Business" is not mine, even though much of the detail is either on my website, in one form or another, or has been sent by me to members of the Almeroth family. I have good reason to doubt the author's desire to contact other researchers. ***** |
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13 February 07 ... * Bristol Burgesses completed. Name enquiries - AHRENFELD, BOULNOIS, HOFFSCHMIDT, HOREY, SAMLER, SIEPP, TURNER, WICKE. |
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28 January 07 ... * Sorry ... new computer ... new things to learn.
Name enquiries - BEHNKIN, MEHRTENS, RAWLINSON, REDPATH, SCHWAR(T)Z, STUTCHBURY, UTERMARCK. |
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4 January 07 ... * I last mentioned "the book" in August. I can't explain the hold up here, but it will be in print within the next few months.
Name enquiries - ENGELKE, FERGUSON, GORDON, LIVENS, MAYELSTON, RUDELHOFF, SEMKEN, STRIPP. |
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20 December 06 ... * Merry Christmas to all researchers, contributors & readers ... and many thanks for your
support throughout the year. We'll certainly see the book in print next year !!
Name enquiries - BEHNKEN. |
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1 December 06 ... * Batger's CHINESE FIGS ... does anyone know if they or their like are still available, please. I've had two enquiries about them in the last month.
Name enquiries - BRUNS, BURGINGER. |
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11 November 06 ... * Added the entries from the 1846 London Post Office Directory to the db, directory, maps, etc.
Name enquiries - SMITH. |
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1 November 06 ...
* Very busy week or so with the enquiries, which included Peter sending info showing the inter-marrying of sugarbaker families - Muench/Mogge & Mogge/Uffelman. Ellen is looking for evidence of her Gumbel ancestors who she thinks worked in London, perhaps for Harman Harbusch, for a few years before continuing to New York. Marge sent a great pice of info found in Australian records whilst searching for Reimels that put Carsten Bulwinkle in Hall & Boyd, London, then New Zealand, and finally running a sugar mill in Australia. Name enquiries - BRUNS, BULWINKLE, GUMBEL, LYLE, MOGGE, MUENCH, REIMELS, SOLKHON, UFFELMAN, WEIDEMULLER. |
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19 October 06 ... * Chris has sent me a copy of George Blue's apprenticeship papers - 1905-12, Abram Lyle & Sons, Plaistow Wharf. It also includes a short
testimonial from John Lyle, 1912. So now we have a new page ...Indentures &
Testimonials... and I've moved Claus Schuhmacher's testimonial onto it too. Name enquiries - BLUE, SAY, SCHWIER, STUTCHBURY . |
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11 October 06 ... * I've just added a DIRECTORY of SUGAR HOUSES, which brings together onto one page all the info behind all of the maps. It's linked to each map, and the maps back to the directory. There's a direct link from the front page as well as the site map and history pages. I hope it will prove of use. Name enquiries - SCHWIER. |
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7 October 06 ... * A mere 68 entries from the Liverpool census 1841 - the enumerators did not identify the labourers' types of work .....
Name enquiries - STUHR. |
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30 September 06 ... * Added more from London 1861 census, prompted by another enquiry regarding Dunk St, Mile End New Town. It's only that small area though. Name enquiries - BOGGAN, BRUNS, MULLER/MILLER, NOVAK, SCHLOBAUM, WOOLLEY, and Alex SCOTT & Sons (Greenock). |
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19 September 06 ... * I have my doubts regarding the 41 census for Liverpool ... I don't think the enumerators are identifying the various types of labourer. Whilst
I'm picking up a few owners and a few sugarbakers (listed as such because that's what they called their occupation when asked), there are no
'labourers in sugar house' etc.
Name enquiries - BOCK, CHARD, COLLENSO, and REINERS, COOK, DANNING & JOHNSON (London). |
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11 September ... a date we'll never forget! ... 06 ... * I've added the entries from the 1861 Bristol census. If I've missed any, I'm sure you'll tell me.
Name enquiries - GERKEN, WELBROCK. |
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31 August 06 ... * Needless to say, this blog is an 'unofficial' one that I add to only when I have new material or something to say. I've just noticed that Google allows you to specifically search (click 'more') the 'official' blog sites. A search for 'sugar refiner' produced this extract ... "... today I discovered that a lot of the ornamentation inside St Mark's building [Philadelphia] was designed by Charles [Eamer] Kempe, who is a rather distant cousin of mine: his great-grandfather was Harman Samler, a sugar-refiner in London in the 1780s, who was my dad's dad's mum's dad's dad's mum's dad. Why someone has seen fit to make a webpage about Harman I don't know, but it shows you can find almost anything on the web these days." Name enquiries - KURHT, MULLER, and the ALBION SUGAR Co. |
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19 August 06 ... * Sorry, folks ... been away in County Durham and Yorkshire. What a pleasant change from this neck of the woods !
Name enquiries - CHARD, DERX, HOPMAN, KRITE. |
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28 July 06 ... 
** ... and our son was married today !! Name enquiries - BREYER, LOHDUR/LOHDEN. |
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20 July 06 ... * I've just been told, "It's very unlikely that the book will be ready for Christmas." Thoroughly disappointed and frustrated, but what can I do ... the editorial team at AGFHS is just 4 volunteers with an unbelievable workload; they desperately need more help ! Name enquiries - SCHULTZ. |
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14 July 06 ...
* Just added some wonderful pictures of John Thomson, who ran the Sankey Sugar Works, to the Earlestown page. I'm assured it was spelt
without the 'p', although the census enumerators wrote otherwise. Need to find him in Bury in the '51 census.
Name enquiries - DAVIS (Bristol), HARBUSCH, HEUSER, MICHAELS. |
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6 July 06 ... * I need to research 2 more locations where refining is said to have taken place - Stockton and Exeter.
Name enquiries - ALTHOFF, FICKEN. |
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1 July 06 ... * Uploaded the rest of the 1881 names, as well as a map & names for the refinery at Newcastle-under-Lyme in Staffordshire for the same year.
The database has now topped 20,000. Name enquiries - WICKE. |
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27 June 06 ... * The book - I'm told publication will take some time. Be patient, Bryan - do some decorating or something.
Name enquiries - ACKROYD, RIPPE, THOM(P)SON, WILSON, WOLFE, |
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8 June 06 ... 
** The wedding day was a resounding success ...... * Finally relinquished my hold on my "Sugarbakers" book ... sent manuscripts, illustrations, etc to the publishers (AGFHS) today. Name enquiries - BEHRENS, BRUNIGES, GADSDEN, MacDONALD, TANGEMANN. |
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31 May 06 ... Welcome! |
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